Let's Have A Talk.

6.17.2012
Most of us have heard of the YA Crush Tourney. This is an amazing YA book event in the blogosphere. And if you don't know what it is, well, it's fairly easy to figure out.

It's fun. I like it. But some of the nominations just don't make sense to me.

This has nothing to do with me liking a character or not. The simple fact is I don't understand how an incestuous rapist is seen as a "crush." Rapists are not crush-worthy. Not even attempted rapists.

I don't understand why Sebastian is on that list. I'm not saying I think his storyline in the book should never have been written or that he's a character you can't like because of what he did. I'm saying he tried to rape his sister. I'm saying that it's not okay to show that someone who could do something like that could be considered a "crush" and grouped with the other characters on that list. There's a large difference between being a flawed character like most of the boys on that list - Noah Shaw, Will Herondale, basically everyone else - and being a rapist. (Also let's not forget that Sebastian tried to kill basically everyone.)

This isn't a post for you to argue about why you think it's okay for Sebastian to be on there. You're probably not going to get me to agree no matter what you say. You can like Sebastian. You can feel bad for him. You can want to understand him. Even I don't hate him. But this is basically saying that it's okay to consider a rapist/attempted rapist (which is really all the same, if you ask me) a "crush." And I don't understand how that can be okay.

I realize the list is based on nominations and it's supposed to be fair and everything. But I think something like this should trump fairness.

You want to say I'm over-reacting? Fine. But I'm not the only one that feels this way. And if you agree, please, please say something about it. Sebastian should not be on that list. From what I've heard, neither should Jordan because he's abusive. And please consider who you nominate. Just because you like a character doesn't mean they should be seen as a "crush."

The YA Sisterhood holds a Villain Tourney in the fall. Why can't you just vote for Sebastian then? When it actually fits the description? 

~Zoey~
17 comments on "Let's Have A Talk."
  1. For me, it's actually FRIGHTENING that some teenagers can even view Sebastian as crush-worthy after all he's done. THAT'S the kind of person you want to swoon over? A guy who has demon blood and murders children and tries to rape his own freaking sister? Come on now. That's not okay and that is CERTAINLY not a guy you should be crushing on.

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  2. Sebastian is on the list? O_O That doesn't make much sense... I don't take part in these things (I don't think I'm even entirely sure how it works) but I agree with you that Sebastian is a strange pick for a 'crush'.

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  3. I know! Seeing his name on the list bothered me so much. I don't hate him because he's an interesting character, but I'd never consider him a crush because he's a fucking psycho. He kills children and tried to rape his sister. That's not okay.

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  4. And I don't get how Will Herondale is at the top. He's great and all, but I feel like him and Jace are the exact same characters, just set during different times in a different series.

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  5. 100% right there with you on this, girl. The fact that someone out there thinks these traits are ~crushworthy~ makes me really worried for both the youth in general, and YA writers/readers. It would be scary if people thought this was a reflection of what people want to see from books and it just... kept going. Ugh.

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  6. Dumb question. What book is Sebastian from? I've been way behind on my YA reading.

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  7. Megan: I wouldn't know. I haven't actually read CC's other series :P

    Michelle: It IS scary, now that you mention it. I hadn't thought of it that way.

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  8. Laura: The Mortal Instruments by Cassandra Clare.

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  9. I somewhat agree with you on Sebastian - I mean, he's evil and all that crap. I think people actually just feel bad for him in a weird twisted aspect, and that's why they claim they have a 'crush' on him.

    Jordan on the other hand, is understandable. He was abusive, but he really grew in my mind, and actually seems like the type of person that people could have 'crushes' on. So I understand why people would nominate him.

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  10. Alexis: And it's totally okay to feel bad for him. Sometimes I do, too. But that doesn't make it any better. They're basically glorifying a rapist.

    I can't agree or disagree about Jordan. While I've read the books, I remember basically nothing about him. :P

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  11. Wow. I haven't read those books, so this is the first time this was brought to my attention, but I think it's a little scary that anyone would crush on a character like that. It's their tournament, so I guess the people hosting it can put those guys in if they want, but I think they would belong more in an evil villain tournament. Why anyone would vote for them is beyond me. I probably shouldn't be saying anything since I haven't read the books, but still:(

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  12. I haven't read that book, either, but from what you've described I agree with you. That is frightening and I certainly hope it doesn't start some sort of trend in YA. I'm glad you posted your feelings about it.

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  13. Yeah so, this is a bit creepy but...WE ARE THE SAME PERSON!!!

    Proof: I am a teenage girl living in Wisconsin (also dying of boredom: cows culvers cows bubbler cows PACKERS cows). I also aspire to be a YA author. I also wish to live in Britain or Seattle/Portland someday.

    However you seem to be much cooler than me as you work in bookstore (I have applied to BN before but no such luck...) and your name is Zoe. Everybody knows a Megan.

    Thanks for indulging my ohmygodsheislikemebutdifferent ranting :D

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  14. Sebastian is on the list?! O_o OMG I can't believe it. This is pretty odd. What the heck?!

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  15. This is random, but WHY IS COLE NOT ON THIS LIST!? Cole.... ._.

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  16. Gwen: I DON'T KNOW BUT I NOMINATED HIM BECAUSE ALJKDLJKSAKJ I LOVE HIM D:

    Megan: URGH WISCONSIN.

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  17. I totally agree with what you are saying. It seems so disturbingly wrong that girls can actually see him as a crush!! I am appalled by it to be honest. Who cares if he is supposedly good looking or whatever, he is freaking messed up. His actions are disgusting and wrong. I do agree he is a vital part of the storyline in the books, but he should not be considered as a crush in any way. A villian, for sure. On the Subject of Jordan, I can't say that I think he is really a bad person since he isn't actually abusive. It happened to be his werewolfness that made him a bit violent, but that isn't really who he is. I didn't personally vote for him, but I can understand why some people would. Sebastian on the other hand...makes me sick to think people see him that way.

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6.17.2012

Let's Have A Talk.

Most of us have heard of the YA Crush Tourney. This is an amazing YA book event in the blogosphere. And if you don't know what it is, well, it's fairly easy to figure out.

It's fun. I like it. But some of the nominations just don't make sense to me.

This has nothing to do with me liking a character or not. The simple fact is I don't understand how an incestuous rapist is seen as a "crush." Rapists are not crush-worthy. Not even attempted rapists.

I don't understand why Sebastian is on that list. I'm not saying I think his storyline in the book should never have been written or that he's a character you can't like because of what he did. I'm saying he tried to rape his sister. I'm saying that it's not okay to show that someone who could do something like that could be considered a "crush" and grouped with the other characters on that list. There's a large difference between being a flawed character like most of the boys on that list - Noah Shaw, Will Herondale, basically everyone else - and being a rapist. (Also let's not forget that Sebastian tried to kill basically everyone.)

This isn't a post for you to argue about why you think it's okay for Sebastian to be on there. You're probably not going to get me to agree no matter what you say. You can like Sebastian. You can feel bad for him. You can want to understand him. Even I don't hate him. But this is basically saying that it's okay to consider a rapist/attempted rapist (which is really all the same, if you ask me) a "crush." And I don't understand how that can be okay.

I realize the list is based on nominations and it's supposed to be fair and everything. But I think something like this should trump fairness.

You want to say I'm over-reacting? Fine. But I'm not the only one that feels this way. And if you agree, please, please say something about it. Sebastian should not be on that list. From what I've heard, neither should Jordan because he's abusive. And please consider who you nominate. Just because you like a character doesn't mean they should be seen as a "crush."

The YA Sisterhood holds a Villain Tourney in the fall. Why can't you just vote for Sebastian then? When it actually fits the description? 

~Zoey~

17 comments:

  1. For me, it's actually FRIGHTENING that some teenagers can even view Sebastian as crush-worthy after all he's done. THAT'S the kind of person you want to swoon over? A guy who has demon blood and murders children and tries to rape his own freaking sister? Come on now. That's not okay and that is CERTAINLY not a guy you should be crushing on.

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  2. Sebastian is on the list? O_O That doesn't make much sense... I don't take part in these things (I don't think I'm even entirely sure how it works) but I agree with you that Sebastian is a strange pick for a 'crush'.

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  3. I know! Seeing his name on the list bothered me so much. I don't hate him because he's an interesting character, but I'd never consider him a crush because he's a fucking psycho. He kills children and tried to rape his sister. That's not okay.

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  4. And I don't get how Will Herondale is at the top. He's great and all, but I feel like him and Jace are the exact same characters, just set during different times in a different series.

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  5. 100% right there with you on this, girl. The fact that someone out there thinks these traits are ~crushworthy~ makes me really worried for both the youth in general, and YA writers/readers. It would be scary if people thought this was a reflection of what people want to see from books and it just... kept going. Ugh.

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  6. Dumb question. What book is Sebastian from? I've been way behind on my YA reading.

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  7. Megan: I wouldn't know. I haven't actually read CC's other series :P

    Michelle: It IS scary, now that you mention it. I hadn't thought of it that way.

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  8. Laura: The Mortal Instruments by Cassandra Clare.

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  9. I somewhat agree with you on Sebastian - I mean, he's evil and all that crap. I think people actually just feel bad for him in a weird twisted aspect, and that's why they claim they have a 'crush' on him.

    Jordan on the other hand, is understandable. He was abusive, but he really grew in my mind, and actually seems like the type of person that people could have 'crushes' on. So I understand why people would nominate him.

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  10. Alexis: And it's totally okay to feel bad for him. Sometimes I do, too. But that doesn't make it any better. They're basically glorifying a rapist.

    I can't agree or disagree about Jordan. While I've read the books, I remember basically nothing about him. :P

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  11. Wow. I haven't read those books, so this is the first time this was brought to my attention, but I think it's a little scary that anyone would crush on a character like that. It's their tournament, so I guess the people hosting it can put those guys in if they want, but I think they would belong more in an evil villain tournament. Why anyone would vote for them is beyond me. I probably shouldn't be saying anything since I haven't read the books, but still:(

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  12. I haven't read that book, either, but from what you've described I agree with you. That is frightening and I certainly hope it doesn't start some sort of trend in YA. I'm glad you posted your feelings about it.

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  13. Yeah so, this is a bit creepy but...WE ARE THE SAME PERSON!!!

    Proof: I am a teenage girl living in Wisconsin (also dying of boredom: cows culvers cows bubbler cows PACKERS cows). I also aspire to be a YA author. I also wish to live in Britain or Seattle/Portland someday.

    However you seem to be much cooler than me as you work in bookstore (I have applied to BN before but no such luck...) and your name is Zoe. Everybody knows a Megan.

    Thanks for indulging my ohmygodsheislikemebutdifferent ranting :D

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  14. Sebastian is on the list?! O_o OMG I can't believe it. This is pretty odd. What the heck?!

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  15. This is random, but WHY IS COLE NOT ON THIS LIST!? Cole.... ._.

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  16. Gwen: I DON'T KNOW BUT I NOMINATED HIM BECAUSE ALJKDLJKSAKJ I LOVE HIM D:

    Megan: URGH WISCONSIN.

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  17. I totally agree with what you are saying. It seems so disturbingly wrong that girls can actually see him as a crush!! I am appalled by it to be honest. Who cares if he is supposedly good looking or whatever, he is freaking messed up. His actions are disgusting and wrong. I do agree he is a vital part of the storyline in the books, but he should not be considered as a crush in any way. A villian, for sure. On the Subject of Jordan, I can't say that I think he is really a bad person since he isn't actually abusive. It happened to be his werewolfness that made him a bit violent, but that isn't really who he is. I didn't personally vote for him, but I can understand why some people would. Sebastian on the other hand...makes me sick to think people see him that way.

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